Domestic mammals countability
Here’s a summary of domesticated species countability issues. Comments welcome 🙂
This was a really interesting read. I have an interest in feral animals (beyond listing) so I enjoyed reading your perspective. I keep lists of species/subspecies seen for myself, not published and not for comparison, so that part doesn’t matter to me. But I think the blurry lines between domestic, feral, wild, etc are interesting from a natural history perspective. It could also make a great book.
10 reindeers have been introduced from Sweden on Kerguelen Islands in 1955-1956, on Ile Haute.
In 1981 they escaped (swam) to Grande Terre and the population is now estimated about 4000.
Source : Institut Polaire Français Paul-Emile Victor
Thanks – this is useful. I will await for more comments before adding these – or some of these – to the list (I hope to produce a full global list by the end of the year based on discussions and feedback). I think the decision on whether to tick or not to tick a particular sighting rests always with the individual. If it is acting wild and living wild in a self-sustaining population then – for me at least – it is wild even if I might prefer to see a Wild Cat than a wild Cat. However its surely a personal thing. But my main interest in the moment is on the taxonomic names suggested and how to actually refer to these species. I agree on most in your list. But I am not sure about a few of them including Cattle (Bos taurus according to IUCN and Duff& Lawson), Goat (C. hircus according to IUCN and Duff & Lawson) and Donkey (Equus assinus according to many) … incidentally there are some calls for Canis dingoensis to be a full species but I am not sure how well accepted this is
Always entertaining to see Vladimir’s projects. As Jon says, though, this is a personal thing. For me, personally, I don’t count non-native or domesticated birds on my world life list of birds (now at 6000). So, personally, I won’t be counting domestic, feral, or introduced mammals on my world mammal list. Seeing wild mammals in their native habitat makes me happy. Thanks, Don Roberson
I don’t count any domestic or feral mammals, for the reasons I written in the thread ‘Towards a global mammal list’.
For example, if you eg. count feral horses, donkeys or dogs, then it no longer makes any achievement to see wild takhi, Somali Wild Ass or Wolf, for they are the same species.
Please feel free to read and comment on my rationale in the other thread.
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I agree with most of this, except for maybe the following:
I would rule all humans as equally countable, and let the decision to count them rest with the person.
Similarly, I would treat any house mouse as wild (well, unless it was white or of otherwise obvious laboratory origin). They are taking advantage human modified habitats, the same as starlings and house sparrows.
Otherwise I really haven’t put that much thought behind countability of domestics/feral beyond the confines of North America. Although personally I don’t really feel comfortable counting any domestic cat/dog/cattle seen in the wild in this country, since I don’t really feel they are “wild enough”